Thread: Isn't This Racism ??

Racism
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Scientific racism refers to the use of science (or the veneer of science) to justify and support racist beliefs. The use of science to justify racist beliefs goes back at least to the early 18th century, though it gained most of its influence in the mid-19th century. Works like Arthur Gobineau's An Essay on the Inequality of the Human Races (1853-1855) attempted to frame racism within the terms of biological difference among human beings, and with the rise of theories of evolution after the work of Charles Darwin became well-known. L.S.B. Leakey in The Progress And Evolution Of Man In Africa (Oxford University Press), 1961 stated "Indeed, I would be inclined to suggest that however great may be the physical differences between such races as the European and the Negro, the mental and psychological differences are greater still."
It became common to consider some races more evolved than others. These points of view were very common within the scientific community at the time — even Darwin, who was an active abolitionist and considered all humans to be of the same species (against a trend of polygenism at the time) believed that there were inherent biological differences in the mental capacities of different races. Ideologies such as social Darwinism and eugenics used and reinforced many of these views.
There were also scientists who argued against biological reenforcement of racism, even if they believed that biological races did exist (though some did not). In the sciences of anthropology and biology, though, these were minority positions until the mid-20th century. During the rise of Nazism in Germany, many scientists in Western nations worked to de-bunk the racial theory on which the regime rested its claims of superiority.
This, combined with repulsion to Nazi eugenics and the racial motivations behind the Holocaust, lead to a re-orientation of opinion around scientific research into race in the years following World War II. Changes within scientific disciplines—such as the rise of Boasian school of anthropology in the United States—also contributed to this shift.
Since then, many of the scientific studies which some claim support racist claims have since been methodologically debunked by scientists with specifically anti-racist agendas, such as Stephen J. Gould. However, Gould himself has been accused by a number of scientists of misrepresenting the positions of those he engages, being politically motivated in his attacks, and being selective in his use of material to those ends.
The status of the concept of biological race remains very controversial within science, though practically no mainstream scientists admit to using scientific data to justify racist beliefs. Some scientists, such as Arthur Jensen and Richard Lynn, have argued that the threat of being labeled as a "scientific racist" has made the scientific study of race and racial differences politically taboo and has stifled true scientific discourse. These charges have surfaced most often during the study of intelligence, IQ, and the concept in psychometrics termed general intelligence factor. Many scientists, though, believe that there is no evidence for typological notions of biological race, nor scientific justifications for racist beliefs.

Originally Posted by Chiizii

Seriously, I just don't get it. I have never gotten it. What liberation?

That is what the poem is trying to explain! Try reading it line by line.....

Originally Posted by MIKAER

This is one of the worst attacks of a victim I have ever seen. You have to really hand it to her personal strength for hanging in there!

you have to be kidding. this chick was a straight up whore. i do not have ANY symapthy for a woman with the DNA of 3 different men in their panties. and NO, none of it was the from the players.

MIKAER...I do believe that you have missed the point here altogether. Why is it only racist if a white person says such things as spoken in the original post's subject? The point of this thread is the subject of "reverse" discrimination...same thing as being racist, just the PC way of putting it.

There is no such thing as a White American College Fund. What orginazations out there can be white people ONLY? If anything in this nation is even thought to lean that way they get sued out the arse. But if you are any "color" besides white you can have your college funds or private admissions based on race.

As for the case of the girl claiming to have been raped by the Duke guys, ummm, like it was said, there is not one DNA sample to even indicate that these guys did what she claimed. So, if the girl and her attorney are "lynched" by the media, can you really blame them? Just like that black girl several years ago that claimed she was raped and Al Shapton got in the middle of that one screaming for justice...What justice? The girl was not kidnapped and raped, she had run away and had sex with a boyfriend or something and then lied to her family to keep from getting in trouble. Did you hear these people even offer a word of apology? No, you did not but if the situation was reversed then Jesse and Al would be up on the soapbox yelling for the white people to apologize for their false accusations.

I am sick of the racism...no matter on what side it is coming from. People like Jesse and Al just love to keep it going though. If everyone would just shut up and stop spreading the hate, we could all get along a lot better. I do not owe anyone anything. And while on the subject, why aren't the blacks of this nation that are still crying over slavery holding the African brothers responsible? They are the ones that sold their prisoners into slavery in the first place. Is that okay? Why is that part of the story never shouted out over the rooftops when the issue of slavery is brought up? And how about all the white folk that were slaves...oh, excuse me, indentured servants.

Originally Posted by tngirl

MIKAER...I do believe that you have missed the point here altogether. Why is it only racist if a white person says such things as spoken in the original post's subject? The point of this thread is the subject of "reverse" discrimination...same thing as being racist, just the PC way of putting it."

The OP's thread is about a poemcalled "White Nationalism Put U In Bondage"
The poem is about racISM not racIST [PEOPLE]

Originally Posted by tngirl

There is no such thing as a White American College Fund. What orginazations out there can be white people ONLY? If anything in this nation is even thought to lean that way they get sued out the arse. But if you are any "color" besides white you can have your college funds or private admissions based on race.

The poem was read during "Black History" Month to the best of my knowlege no law suits have been filed on the authors behalf.

Originally Posted by tngirl

As for the case of the girl claiming to have been raped by the Duke guys, ummm, like it was said, there is not one DNA sample to even indicate that these guys did what she claimed.

"Appeal to ignorance" [i.e. no evidence is not evidence.]
The presence of DNA is not required nor is it the "norm" in a rape case.

Originally Posted by tngirl

So, if the girl and her attorney are "lynched" by the media, can you really blame them? Just like that black girl several years ago that claimed she was raped and Al Shapton got in the middle of that one screaming for justice...What justice? The girl was not kidnapped and raped, she had run away and had sex with a boyfriend or something and then lied to her family to keep from getting in trouble. Did you hear these people even offer a word of apology? No, you did not but if the situation was reversed then Jesse and Al would be up on the soapbox yelling for the white people to apologize for their false accusations.

I am sick of the racism...no matter on what side it is coming from. People like Jesse and Al just love to keep it going though. If everyone would just shut up and stop spreading the hate, we could all get along a lot better. I do not owe anyone anything. And while on the subject, why aren't the blacks of this nation that are still crying over slavery holding the African brothers responsible? They are the ones that sold their prisoners into slavery in the first place. Is that okay? Why is that part of the story never shouted out over the rooftops when the issue of slavery is brought up? And how about all the white folk that were slaves...oh, excuse me, indentured servants.

Perhaps you should read the poem...

Originally Posted by MIKAER

"Appeal to ingnorance" [i.e. no evidence is not evidence.]
The presence of DNA is not required nor is it the "norm" in a rape case.

Hmm....catchy phrase.......(even when spelled correctly)

It is the prosecution's responsibility to present all evidence and prove beyond a 'reasonable doubt' the guilt of the defendants. Apparently this was not done. DNA usage is a tool, not always available, and therefore is not always a 'norm' for all cases......and was not a tool until recent history.

This may have been tried in the media, but it also apparently was tried in the courts unsuccessfully. When they read the verdict, don't they say "not guitly".....they don't say "innocent".